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Post  manhattan on Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:37 pm

I own a 2 flat and rent out rooms to random roommates, not previously
acquainted; AM I COVERED BY THE RLTO? One of the roommates during
the did not pay her complete security deposit when she moved in; nor did
she pay it by the beginning of the second month; Also, she did not pay her
rent by the lst of the 2nd month, and tried to bounce a check on me
(it was insufficient funds); was she considered a tenant after these
things?

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Post  wdepue on Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:33 pm

5-12-020(b) Excludes rooming houses if a tenant pays a daily,weekly rent and monthly rentals, only until such time as the dwelling unit has been occupied by a tenant for 32 or more continuous days and tenant pays a monthly rent, exclusive of any period of wrongful occupancy contrary to agreement with an owner.
5-12-030(f)defines security deposits as rent. 5-12-030(h) defines tenant.

Yes she was a tenant, however until she occupied 32 or more continuous days with a monthly rent exclusive of any period of wrongful occupancy contrary to agreement with an owner, the tenant excluded herself of her rights and remedies made available in the ordinance. 5-12-020(a) also excludes owner-occupied 2 flats in the city of Chicago.


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Post  fmallion on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:55 pm

manhattan,

Did you occupy one floor and rent bedrooms out of your unit?

How long did the tenant occupy the room in the building?

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Post  manhattan on Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:51 pm

yes, I occupied the lower apartment and was looking for a roommate to share
that unit; but the roommate who occupied the upstairs apartment, master
bedroom, was placed there by me with a previous roommate placed there by
me a month before her occupation, as a roommate, awaiting for the next
roommate to share that 2nd floor apartment; while I know I am excluded by
the owner-occupant theory of the RLTO, the roommate service I provided,
vis-a-vis a rooming house which included all my furniture, beds, towels,
bedding, dishes, pots & pans, kitchen utensils, tvs etc. caused her to
remain a roommate FOR THE 2 MONTHS SHE OCCUPIED THE MASTER BEDROOM,
2nd floor apartment, sharing the kitchen with the other roommate.
SHE DID NOT PAY HER FULL SECURITY DEPOSIT AT THE TIMEOF THE MOVE IN,
ALSO, SHE ATTEMPTED TO BOUNCE HER 2nd month's RENT BY GIVING ME
A CHECK FOR INSUFFICIENT FUNDS. I went to the bank to cash the check and
they said it was insufficient funds. I ASKED HER FOR ANOTHER PAYMENT, VIA
CASH OR CERTIFIED CHECK. SO SHE PAID UP BY THE 2nd week ONLY BECAUSE
I CAUGHT HER IN FLAGRANTE DELECTO. Also, she called me November 29, 04
to let me know SHE WAS LEAVING THAT WEEK WITHOUT GIVING ME A 30 DAY
NOTICE NOR THE RENT FOR DECEMBER. When I told her she must give me
a 30 notice, SHE, A PARALEGAL, ANNOUNCED "NO, I don't." She then
proceeded to let me know she had found a place in OLD TOWN, as a 3rd
roommate in a 3 bedroom apt with 2 other roommates unknown to her.

Because she was a pretty, narcisstic person, she BELIEVED SHE HAD ALREADY
BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE OLD TOWN LANDLORD; that day (November 29 or 30)
I was called by the landlord and he asked me how things were: I TOLD HIM
THAT SHE HAD NOT GIVEN ME A 30 DAY NOTICE, NOR INTENDED TO PAY
DECEMBER'S RENT OR THE BALANCE OF THE SECURITY DEPOSIT. ALSO,
I TOLD HIM THAT SHE WOULD BRING IN HER ENTIRE FAMILY, HUSBAND, 3 KIDS,
2 DOGS AND A CAT ON WEEKENDS. (i had only thought they would visit
occasionally, not be there every weekend, thereby discomforting and displacing
the other ROOMMATE) Once I had gone up to show the 2nd floor ito a
potential buyer, and the children were in the bedroom of the other roommate;
another time, their large dog, a german shepherd was in the bedroom and
pee'd on the other roommate's carpeting: a very large amount of pee as you
might guess. So, this roommate did not respect the boundaries or the
privacy of the other roommate;

This female roommate as it turned out was TURNED DOWN BY THE OLD
TOWN LANDLORD he told me because of her potential familly situation; HE
DID NOT THINK THAT WOULD WORK WELL WITH THE OTHER ROOMMATES.

She was enraged to find out that HE HAD TURNED HER DOWN AFTER SHE
ANNOUNCED TO ME SHE WAS LEAVING; On December 2, 2004, she called
me at 11:00 a.m. to announce cryptically: "I've just come back from the
Emergency Room," "I fell down the back stairs" "Who is your insurance agent?"
That is all she said, SHE DID NOT TELL ME WHAT PART OF HER BODY WAS
INJURED FROM THIS ALLEGED FALL. I FOUND OUT SHE had gone over to
Rush's E.R. ; they did a psych exam and an X-ray which did not discover
any ACUTE LUMBAR ABNORMALITIES all which ended her interest in
insurance damages.

I have found out she has a psychiatric history and by her own admission
has been "institutionalize" for her psychiatric problems; She is "bi-polar"
by her own admission on a 341 Creditor's tape; "bi-polar" can mean many
many things and is not exclusive to that diagnosis, it also can include
psychopathy which I believe applied to her since she lies about everything
including her BANKRUPTCY, she committed bankruptcy fraud by not naming
me as AN ASSET which means a pending lawsuit from which she could
recover monies from, SHE COMMITTED BANKRUPTCY FRAUD also by NOT GIVING
THE TRUE INCOME FROM BOTH SHE AND HER HUSBAND which figures differed
from the $110,000 she gave to me when she filled in her rental application;
SHE HAS DEFRAUDED NOT ONLY HER CREDITORS, BUT EVERYONE WHO
HAS RENTED TO HER; SHE ABANDONED THE MONTHLY RENTAL AGREEMENT
SHE HAD AGREED TO WITH ME, and I believe would have done extreme
VANDALISM (SHE TORE DOWN THE BLINDS IN THE MASTER BEDROOM, STOLE
MY CLOTHING, APPLIANCES)had the other roommate not continued to live there; BUT TO THE NEXT LANDLORD, SHE LIED ON
THE RENTAL APPLICATION, stating she had 'JUST MOVED TO CHICAGO FROM
PEKIN, IL, for a job with a law firm" NOT NAMING ME AS THE LANDLORD FROM
WHOM the new landlord could get feedback, ALTHOUGH THE APARTMENT
PEOPLE KNEW OF HER RENTAL FROM ME, they did not disclose it to him;
SHE lied stating she alone would occupy the one bedroom, one bath apartment
when as soon as she moved in, MOVED HER ENTIRE FAMILY, 3 kids, husband,
2 dogs, and a cat into the one bedroom, one bath apartment, breaking the
occupancy rules of the city and the condo association; NOT ONLY THAT
BUT SHE DESTROYED THE ENTIRE APARTMENT, CARPET, APPLIANCES, WALLS,
THE LANDLORD HAD TO REMODEL THE ENTIRE APARTMENT SPENDING SEVERAL
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. SHE WAS ABLE TO FIND A PREDATORY TENANTS'
RIGHTS ATTORNEY WHO WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM ASKED, "wHY don't you
have anything better to do?" Then he stated he would 'GET ME' FOR THAT.

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Post  fmallion on Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:38 pm

WOW! Who is the predatory rights attorney that is persuing since 2004? How many and what are the counts? As a primary defense you are excluded under 5-12-020(a) and (b).
In flagrante delicto[Latin "while the crime is ablaze] Nice touch, but should have said"caught her red-handed".


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Post  chicagolandladie on Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:01 pm

Was the occupant renting the unit on a month to month basis and was the rental agreement written or oral?

Thanx,
ChicagoLandladie

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Post  manhattan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:27 pm

chicagolandladie wrote:Was the occupant renting the unit on a month to month basis and was the rental agreement written or oral?

Thanx,

The occupant was renting a room, a bedroom, on a month to month basis, and the agreement was oral. ChicagoLandladie

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Post  manhattan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:30 pm

fmallion wrote:manhattan,

Did you occupy one floor and rent bedrooms out of your unit?

How long did the tenant occupy the room in the building?


Yes, I occupied one floor (the lst) and would rent a bedroom if I had found
another roommate; I rented the 2nd floor apartment as a rooming house,
renting each bedroom for different amounts and the tenants shared the
kitchen and baths; fully furnished, heated, electric, gas, and with kitchen
utensils, pots & pans, dishes, etc.

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Post  manhattan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:37 pm

fmallion wrote:manhattan,

Did you occupy one floor and rent bedrooms out of your unit?

How long did the tenant occupy the room in the building?


I did occupy the lst floor apartment and would have rented a bedroom on that
floor had I found someone compatible;

The predatory tenant occupied the master bedroom (of the 2nd floor);
and shared the apartment with another roommate in the rooming house;
he paid a different amount $650 for his middle bedroom, and she the ,
predatory tenant, paid $750 for her bedroom; they didn't pay for utilities.
She attempted to state she had sole possession of the lst floor apartment
or was to, but I bumped her upstairs and made her share with Anthony.

It was a crazy idea: that I would let her rent an entire apartment for $750
which included utilities: a great deal but I NEVER ADVERTISED AN APARTMENT
FOR THAT AMOUNT EVER NOR WOULD I, NOR WOULD I INCLUDE UTILITIES.

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Post  manhattan on Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:45 pm

fmallion wrote:WOW! Who is the predatory rights attorney that is persuing since 2004? How many and what are the counts? As a primary defense you are excluded under 5-12-020(a) and (b).
In flagrante delicto[Latin "while the crime is ablaze] Nice touch, but should have said"caught her red-handed".


The attorney is a tenants rights attorney who gets a contingency fee for his
fees; he threatened me saying ,when I ridiculed for pursuing me in this low level
tenants right case, I can get you, I know how to do it. It was a personal
retaliation; he did get me by a default judgment which I later had vacated.

If you identified yourself as to your name and left a telephone number, I
divulge the name of this attorney; but I don't want to be accused of slander
or libel; The affirmative defense of (1) owner-occupancy exclusion and
(2) the rooming house exclusion; The problem is that I've had very mentally
lazy attorneys who have desired to protract, drag out the lawsuit to
exact as much money as they could possibly.

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